Friday, August 19, 2005

Over the Line?

Crossposted on the Moderate Republican:

So, is Cindy Sheehan's protest outside the Bush ranch going to win the hearts and minds of the great American Middle?

Not with these comments:

COOPER: Cindy, I was reading some of the essays that you've been writing about the war over the last couple of months. In one you say the war is blatant genocide and you go on to say, and I quote, "Casey was killed in the global war of terrorism waged on the world and its own citizen by the biggest terrorist outfit in the world, George and his destructive Neo-con cabal." Do you really believe the president of the United States is the biggest terrorist in the world?

SHEEHAN: I believe that he's responsible for the needless and senseless deaths of more people than any other organization right now. There was 3,000 people killed on September 11th, which was a tragic day. Our nation still mourned it. I still mourn for those people and their families. But tens of thousands of innocent people are dead in Iraq, Anderson, and there was no reason for the war. The war was based on lies and we know that now.

COOPER: But when you say that the president, I mean you're essentially saying the president is a terrorist. I mean I think a lot of people would hear that and think what are you talking about?

SHEEHAN: Well, you know, I've heard a lot of -- a lot of definitions of that and it's the definition they kill innocent people, you know, and his policies are responsible for killing innocent people and I say the organization is killing innocent people and it needs to stop.

We know that he said there was weapons of mass destruction and we know he knows that there weren't. There was no link between al Qaeda and Saddam and we know he knows that there wasn't, so we need to stop the killing now and I'm here to confront him.

COOPER: You said that it's blatant genocide. I mean you really think the United States is trying to eliminate an entire group of people, all Iraqis?

SHEEHAN: There's 100 -- there's an estimate 100,000 to 200,000 innocent Iraqis dead because of our occupation, either by bullets and bombs or by disease, malnutrition and he says we're doing it for the Iraqi people. How many do we have to kill before we convince them that what we're doing is right over there?
From Anderson Cooper's 360.




Now it's one thing to say that the President has botched this war, or that he was wrong to go to war in the first place. I say that all the time. But it is a whole different thing to say that the President is a terrorist, that kills innocent people. I wouldn't doubt that there has been some deaths that can bve attributed to Americans, and we all know about Abu Gharib. But, what the insurgecy has done is far worse. They have sought to kill innocents. And the people behind the New York, Madrid and London bombings sought to kill innocents and kill as many as they can. These are terrorists, not the President.

As for genocide, again, I see no evidence. I haven't heard of deliberate killings such as what is going on in Darfur or what happened in Rwanda or Bosnia.

These comments sound like comments made by some on the far left which are so ridiculous that they aren't worth debating.

I want to believe that Ms. Sheehan is being manipulated by the far left. I don't want to believe she true believes this. Either way, this will not connect with Middle America, who might be fed up with the war, but don't think that Bush is the greatest evil the world has ever known.

I don't think this was a necessary war. With that, I can agree with Ms. Sheehan. But I can't agree that this President, as much as I disagree with him, is a terrorist that is perpetrating genocide. To do so, would be morally suspect in my view.

10 Comments:

At 4:22 PM, Blogger AubreyJ said...

Iraq had to be a necessary war at some point. That’s the problem we have today. Everyone wants to kick the can down the street for the next person. We got 9-11 by doing just this. Saddam Hussein's Iraq had to be dealt with at some point… If not during the time we did… then when??? Politics was not working and never was going to… No more than it is working today with Syria and Iran… These Countries have one goal and you and I are not in it… (If you know what I mean…)
AubreyJ………………

 
At 4:35 PM, Blogger Jami said...

aubrey, no, we don't know. christians? white men? capitalists? fishermen? terrorists are terrorists because they're stupid a-holes, not because they hate aubreyj. neocons were neocons for the same reason. i don't care if that doesn't "connect" with middle america. it's the truth.

 
At 4:51 PM, Blogger Clint Carrens said...

Sheehan needs to disassociate herself from the anti-Bush crowd. Check out this post - I give my views on why she should do this and what alternative approach she should take.

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger AubreyJ said...

Jami...
SAY WHAT!!!!!!
AubreyJ.............

 
At 11:08 AM, Blogger Christopher Battles said...

We need to think about what Sheehan and her followers are really doing to advance the glory and stability of this country. Nothing. It doesn't matter if she's right or wrong. What I object to is her tactics. It is fine to oppose the war, to mourn your son. But to camp out near the president's house in a tent and create a circus in Texas isn't the way to do it. People won't take her seriously until she uses some class to get her point across.

 
At 10:31 PM, Anonymous Dallas Mother said...

Go Home, Mrs. Sheehan and stay home. Your son volunteered to join the US forces to defend this nation and that is exactly what he did. He died doing it and I think you are making a mockery of his decision and what he chose as his profession. Go Home!

 
At 2:05 PM, Blogger Not a Radical said...

Cindy Sheehan is doing what she can. Perhaps not the most logical method, perhaps not the most socially correct method, perhaps not he conventional method. But she is protesting somethign she truly believes in and something that is becoming more and more apparent as time goes by and more information is released to the public. That the decision to go to war was wrong. The reasons offered for war were wrong. And the prosecution of the war has been wrong. American soldiers have died for what? We have encourged terrorists and given them real life practice against American soldiers and American tactics. We have destabilized Iraq and created a situation without a clean exit. World opinion has turned against our country because if political loyalty is left out of the equation, it is easy to see we have created an unjust war.

There may be specific statements that Cindy Sheehan makes that are incorrect or inappropriate. But her message is clear and honest. And it comes from her heart, the grieving heart of the mother of a dead American soldier.

 
At 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cindy Sheehan is doing what she can. Perhaps not the most logical method, perhaps not the most socially correct method, perhaps not he conventional method. But she is protesting somethign she truly believes in and something that is becoming more and more apparent as time goes by and more information is released to the public. That the decision to go to war was wrong. The reasons offered for war were wrong. And the prosecution of the war has been wrong. American soldiers have died for what? We have encourged terrorists and given them real life practice against American soldiers and American tactics. We have destabilized Iraq and created a situation without a clean exit. World opinion has turned against our country because if political loyalty is left out of the equation, it is easy to see we have created an unjust war.

There may be specific statements that Cindy Sheehan makes that are incorrect or inappropriate. But her message is clear and honest. And it comes from her heart, the grieving heart of the mother of a dead American soldier.

 
At 10:59 PM, Blogger Neil said...

The genocide comment is mostly wrong, but the terrorist part is right on.

First, as to the genocide charge:

The lady is not sophisticated. She calls the needless and unwarranted deaths of perhaps 100,000 Iraqi civilians an act of genocide, but it is clearly not Bush's intention to wipe out all Sunni's, let alone all Iraqis. If she accused Bush of war crimes for these killings that were done as a consequence of his lies, his policy, his orders -- would you accept that? If so, let us not quibble. War crimes or genocide -- call it what you like. Either way, he should hang for it.

Is he a terrorist? Of course he is. Just because he has a fancy title, and a huge organization does not alter the facts as they appear to the people of Iraq. Can you justify the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi civilians? Do the people of Iraq not live in terror? You compare Bush to the insurgents; so do I. We agree on this then, no?

There was no terrorism in Iraq until Bush arrived. He is the father of terrorism in Iraq.

Neil

 
At 10:01 AM, Blogger Alan Stewart Carl said...

Neil,

Are you saying Saddam never terrorized anyone? The Iraqi people lived in constant terror under Saddam--you certainly know this. And shouldn't we just maybe blame the terrorists who are blowing up innocent Iraqis? Are they at all culpable or do they get a pass?

The world is not a simple place. America and Bush are not the only actors. The terrorists themselves are and will always be the ones most culpable for acts of terror. Call our decision to go into Iraq a horrible mistake, but to call it a war crime is innaccurate--and purposefully so. I find it odd that those who accuse Bush of willfully distorting the truth to meet his onw ends will turn around and do the same thing. It is a deception to say there was no terror in Iraq pre-invasion. And it is deceptive to say America is the primary cause of the terror that is there now. It is far more complicated.

 

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